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Post by AquaticEngineer on July 20th 2010, 12:43 am

Just curious, should I kill my skimmer while my tank is cycling?
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Re: Oregon Coast Temperate Setups.

Post by sivart33 on July 20th 2010, 9:37 am

turn it on after a few weeks, i would get some live rock in there first to help the cycle
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Post by AquaticEngineer on July 20th 2010, 1:09 pm

Yeah I definately need more rock, I dont even have enough right now to cover the bottom.

I have a wedding to go to on saturday the 31st that is a couple hours south of where I am. I should have sunday free to go get some more rock at a different location on the coast.
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Post by Hero on July 20th 2010, 8:12 pm

Yep, kill the skimmer. It skims everything your bacteria need!


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Re: Oregon Coast Temperate Setups.

Post by AquaticEngineer on July 22nd 2010, 6:23 pm

Over on Nano-Reef the idea of using a Remote Deep Sand Bed to remove Nitrates came up. What do you all think about this idea?

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I just reviewed what Steve Weast wrote about his filtration system, and it reminded me of something I'd like to emphasize. Steve wrote:
"Even with a powerful skimmer, nitrates build rapidly in these heavily fed systems. Water changes are a must. I perform a 50% water change monthly…..but, I also employ a sulfur denitrator to help keep nitrate levels from exceeding the 25ppm level."
I had a lot of trouble keeping nitrate levels down, and I found two things, in addition to frequent water changes, that have really helped:
1) Quickly remove uneaten food before it can break down by replacing filter pads every 2 or 3 days (every 1 or 2 days would probably be better) and by running an over-sized skimmer.
2) Use a Remote Deep Sand Bed (RDSB) to promote the growth of anaerobic bacteria which will consume nitrates and convert them to harmless nitrogen gas. My deep sand bed (5") is in my display (not remote) which I don't recommend, especially if you have digging animals (like my bimac octopus). It took about 8 months for the anaerobic bacteria to colonize my DSB because of the cold water, but then I saw a dramatic drop in nitrates. I did 40% water changes every week at first, and my nitrates were still high (25 - 50 ppm). Now that the DSB is mature, I do 25% water changes every two (or three) weeks, and my nitrates are seldom above 10 ppm. I strongly recommend that you find a place for a RDSB, and let it start cycling with your tank.

A RDSB is just a 5 gallon bucket 80% filled with play sand from home depot, with water running over the top of the sand at about 100 GPH (just fast enough to keep detritus from settling on the sand). In your case I would use two buckets, and insulate them. The surface area of a 5 gallon bucket is about 100 sq in, and sand depth would be about 11", so any sturdy container with a surface area of about 200 sq in that is over 14" tall would be equivalent to two buckets (like a 15 gallon high or 15 gallon show aquarium). The reef guys have had good results with a single bucket on 150 gallon tank, so I figure 2 buckets should be about right for a 100 gallon temperate tank that gets fed so much more.


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Re: Oregon Coast Temperate Setups.

Post by Rambo on July 22nd 2010, 10:05 pm

While you are there doy ou think you could brign a little thermometer with you and test teh water. Thanks
If not it is fine. I am just trying to get soem ideas going for a diy chiller.
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Re: Oregon Coast Temperate Setups.

Post by AquaticEngineer on July 23rd 2010, 12:03 pm

Rambo wrote:While you are there doy ou think you could brign a little thermometer with you and test teh water. Thanks
If not it is fine. I am just trying to get soem ideas going for a diy chiller.

Yeah will do Very Happy

I actually meant to do that last time and only remembered to bring my hydrometer.
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Post by Rambo on July 23rd 2010, 1:26 pm

Great ! thanks a lot!
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Post by Hero on July 23rd 2010, 4:16 pm

I think the concept of the RDSP makes sense and could even help with nitrates, but there are definitely other ways of avoiding nitrates. I believe in Jon Olavs aquarium he did not have a DSP, but in his sump he might have.

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Re: Oregon Coast Temperate Setups.

Post by AquaticEngineer on July 23rd 2010, 6:26 pm

Pufferfreak wrote:I think the concept of the RDSP makes sense and could even help with nitrates, but there are definitely other ways of avoiding nitrates. I believe in Jon Olavs aquarium he did not have a DSP, but in his sump he might have.

I was debating on how I should link my two tanks together since the large one has a LOT of filtration and the smaller tank has ZERO filtration right now. The RDSB may be the way to do it. I think I will plumb them together using a 100 qt coleman cooler with bulkheads drilled into it. Cheaper than buying, drilling, and insulating a similar sized tank Very Happy
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Post by AquaticEngineer on July 23rd 2010, 6:30 pm

I think I going to have tidal marco algaes in the smaller tank with the smaller fish and use it as a type of refugium. Hopefully that will pull more nitrates then a RDSB would. Only trial and error will tell I guess, but at least I will be set up to go either way if I use the cooler as a sump for both tanks.
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Post by Hero on July 23rd 2010, 11:47 pm

That would help. One sump for two tanks is definitely cheaper too Wink.

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Re: Oregon Coast Temperate Setups.

Post by AquaticEngineer on August 7th 2010, 12:05 pm

Hooray for hand me downs Smile I met up with Jamie yesterday and he hook me up with the remaining inhabitants of his temperate tank. Got 3 nice colonies of strawberry anemones, some Snails, chitons, a metridium anemone, a couple beadlet anemones, and about 6-7 nice size rocks.

I still need to collect a suitable substrate, which may happen this weekend......we shall see what the wife allows me to do, lol.

Also, a local reefer who has helped me in the past with my tropical tanks is hooking me up with a larger cooler for a sump today. He also has most of the bulkheads I need to the project, so that may get done today too Smile
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Re: Oregon Coast Temperate Setups.

Post by Hero on August 9th 2010, 2:54 am

Make sure your tank is as nice as his was if not better! Razz

Definitely get on collecting a substrate! Where you the one planning on a rock substrate?

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Post by AquaticEngineer on August 9th 2010, 12:20 pm

Yeah its all going to have to be 1/2 inch and larger substrate, going to look alot like a rock jetty I think.

I've also come to the conclusion that I have been worrying to much about trying to link my two tanks together and that I should just concentrate on getting the large one up and running stable. Once the big tank is pretty much complete I'll start working again on the smaller cube tank and the sump project. I've been talking to my buddy Ken about using ozone on the second tank the way that Jon Olav did on his macro tank to help with the problem algae. Also figuring out the lighting for the second tank is still up in the air.
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Post by Hero on August 9th 2010, 7:52 pm

I was just thinking it might be a good idea to put some form of marine mud or sand below the rocks seeing as how that is similar to the natural substrate.

It might be worth the while to get them hooked up together. It could save on future sump expenses.

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Post by AquaticEngineer on August 9th 2010, 9:03 pm

I would put mud or sand in the with the substrate, but it has a false bottom in the tank that has a return underneath everything to let water flow past the chiller coil. So any substrate I put in the big tank would settel down below the visable tank bottom.

I have the sump setup to be able to link them eventually, but for now I'm going to concentrate on the big tank.
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Post by Hero on August 10th 2010, 12:46 am

Oh. Makes sense then.

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Post by Hero on September 1st 2010, 9:38 pm

How's the tank?

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Re: Oregon Coast Temperate Setups.

Post by AquaticEngineer on September 2nd 2010, 1:50 pm

Tank is doing well, no losses as of yet. Hoping to make it to the coast this holiday weekend and collect some rocks for substrate.

Just got my test piece in for lighting yesterday and its going to work perfect. Just gotta order more of them now and lay out my configuration. Should be under $80 to light the whole tank with waterproof LEDs Smile Granted they are not Crees or super high out put, but they will put out plenty of visable light for what I'm using them for.
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Post by AquaticEngineer on September 2nd 2010, 2:26 pm

As soon as I have light over the tank I'll try and get some photos up I promise Very Happy
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Post by Hero on September 2nd 2010, 2:28 pm

Hopefully you'll manage to collect some nice stuff.

Perfect! I'm excited to see your tank lol.

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Post by AquaticEngineer on September 19th 2010, 12:46 am

Quick photo update, crappy phone pics but I thought I would take a few to see how my test setup of LEDs looks. Not bad for a $3 double stick waterproof led setup from ebay Very Happy I'm sure it'll look much better when I have 6 of these linked up on the tank instead of one.



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Post by ~ocean on September 19th 2010, 4:33 pm

That's actually quite nice looking!

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Re: Oregon Coast Temperate Setups.

Post by AquaticEngineer on September 19th 2010, 9:51 pm

It should look a heck of a lot better after next weekend. I managed to get sunday and monday off, so my brother and I are going to go to the coast and do some collecting along the jetty. Mostly substrate, but that'll make a huge difference. Still waiting to hear back from the guy on ebay about combined shipping for multiple strips of the led lighting.
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